Where are we SB 101?

[Quad daddy]

Latest from Lindy
Wow....it is actually coming together.  Just think back a month or two and we sure have come a long way.  Tom Tobey has been working very hard on the amendments with Parks.  Devlin's office has actually come on board and they too have been very helpful.  We found out today that Sen. Metzger will give it another chance so we have to have it all done and turned in tomorrow.  For ATVs we will have rider fit with no minimum age, supervision for under 16 years old, back to public lands vs. lands open to the public,  supervision with the unaided eye and able to come to the immediate aid rather than having to be on the same type of OHV, and hands on training for youth, online for adults new to the sport, and a test out for those who have been riding and are over 16.  If you would have told me a month ago that this may be possible I would have laughed really hard.
 
We proposed rider fit no minimum age at the Parks meeting for motorcycles but the motorcycle guys didn't want rider fit at the time and wanted to negotiate supervision for 12 then 14, then 15.  Considering we have fought and won SB 49 based on supervision, I could not in good conscience fight Parks on that portion of the bill.  They did say they would go to 15 and after having a meeting said they could support to age 16 but they still wanted no minimum age and no rider fit.  Since the minimum age for MC is current law and Senate Bill 101 isn't changing or addressing that portion, it would really be a stretch to get that through without something like rider fit to replace it.  Even then it would have been a tough sell.  We really wanted to align ATVs and MC on rider fit and still hope to pursue it in the future.  It now looks like the motorcycle guys are open to rider fit/no min age but that wasn't until this afternoon and our deadline for having the amendments in is first thing in the morning.  Keep in mind we have been working on it night and day and back and forth to get just the ATV part complete.  We also had to drum up support from the other Senators so that it could move forward.  When I asked the Senators if there might be a chance to change it at this late stage of the game they made it clear that they would not even consider dropping the minimum age in this bill but rider fit could possibly be added.  I will leave that up to the MC folks to decide.  It may be a great start for them but until we could work on the minimum age in future legislation it would mean they would have both.  Hopefully we can all begin to work with Parks and the Senators towards that for next session.  Our long term goal is to simplify the training and rules and have no min. age and rider fit for both.  If we can get 101 through, it will only strengthen the argument for rider fit.  If the MC guys would like I would be happy to get sponsorship for that type of bill for next session but will leave it up to them.  The National and other local MC groups are in full support of what we are doing.
 
Parks has also been really wonderful.  A few people worth your continued support and who have been very instrumental in meeting with Parks is Gary Sargent, April McVay and Monty (sorry Monty - I can't remember your last name but my guess is everyone knows you by Monty!!).  These three are involved with the Power Sports and Oregon Dealers Assoc. - Gary also owns Sargents Motor Sports in Portland.  They participated in the meeting with Parks and have signed up to help with training, legislation, and the whole ball of wax.  It broadens our field of expertise and will certainly help with planning the type of training program that will be implemented.  The AMA and ATVA have been critical in their help and support.  They even drafted the original amendment for us!   What we are doing in Oregon is hoped to set a precedent for other states to follow.  I wish that I could put into words just how amazing this all is.  We should all be so proud!
 
I don't have the final draft with me - Tom will be sending it to me in the morning as well as Kyleen at Parks.  I can try to send it to everyone but I am not sure if my computer will be able to send that much information to everyone at once.  I'll try tomorrow but if for some reason you don't get it - please drop me a line and I will send it directly.  It will be presented to Legislative Council for the legal writing and that may take up to a couple weeks.  Then off it goes through the Senate and House.  We may need to send letters and make calls in support of this but I will let everyone know to whom and when if needed.  Please review it and let me know what you think!!  Thanks again, Lindy
 

[Dune Dude]

Okay everyone!!  We did such a good job with SB 49 the Senators and Reps are a little gun shy when it comes to ATV bills so it will make it harder to get SB 101 (the one we have participated in and amended) through.  It is almost done being rewritten and it's next step is with the same poor Senators we bombarded with opposition to SB 49.  Rather than bombard them again lets work hard to get it in the press.  Please contact your local press and let them know what our group has done and how wonderful it is when everyone can come together, roll up thier sleaves, leave the egos at the door and come up with solutions based on fact.  We are families that care and have made a difference.  I will be happy to send you whatever you may need for an interview.  WE have done this - you, me, all the moms, dads, grandmas, and grandpas...WITH Parks and Rec, ATVA, AMA, Senators and Reps, Oregon Dealers Assoc., Oregon Power Sports, local clubs and lots of other organizations and families .For the people, by the people.  Whoever would have thought it possible!!!  The average Joe can make a difference...very cool and what a great example for our kids!! It gives me the warm fuzzies and makes me feel so proud to be a part of this great democratic process!!  So, please spread the word on this wonderful collaborative effort- pass it on to all your contacts and ask them to join us in supporting Senate Bill 101!!!!  As always with friendship and gratitude,  Lindy
 
 
The main parts of this bill includes:
 
Safety training for all.  The actual program will be addressed in Oregon Statute and will be based on a rider fit program.  It hasn't been designed yet but basically adults will take an on-line course, those with ?? years of experience can "test" out.  Children will have an online portion - then will have a hands on training that must be attended with a parent, legal guardian, etc.
 
Rider fit no minimum age - (below for idea only - we will have a worksession with Parks to put together ours)  We will be the first state with no min. age and rider fit!!
 
Supervision for children under 16 years of age - "who is able to provide immediate assistance and direction to the youth operator."
 
Parks has some other amendments addressing funding, etc. but we didn't get involved with that portion of it. 
 
  What the statistics tell you is this - young children die from suffocation when an ATV flips over on them without an adult present to remove it.  For older children, at risk behavior (speeding, no helmets, operating on roadways) is the major cause of fatals.  In almost every case, supervision is key as well as helmet use,  in preventing these tragic accidents.  We hope to have a training program that effectively addresses these concerns and risks directly to a parent and also inform them of the laws and penalties, as well as rider fit guidelines, that effect this sport.  Essentially, the parents will now be held accountable for the consequences and penalties rather than the entire sport. 
 
It has been an honor as a private citizen - to have been allowed the participation in this great process.
 
Rider Fit Guideline to be established by ORS: (this is what CPSC and other states use - there may be some slight changes but this gives you a good overview)
 
Follow the Fit Guidelines. It’s important that your ATV fits you like a glove. But how do you know if you’re riding a machine that’s too big or small? Check the following rules!

Clearance between ATV seat and inseam while standing up on footpegs. To stand up and properly absorb shocks through the legs while riding on rough terrain, you have to have the right clearance between your seat and inseam. Proper clearance also keeps the seat from hitting you during a ride, possibly throwing you over the handlebars. You’ll need three to six inches clearance between the ATV seat and inseam while standing up on footpegs. (The maximum will be controlled by the reference point below.)

Upper Legs. The upper portion of your leg, from about the top of your knee to your hip, should be about horizontal. This helps you control your ATV. A little above or below horizontal shouldn’t be a problem, but huge differences (knees significantly below or above the hips) should be checked by an adult. If your knees are quite a bit above the hips, turn the handle bars in both directions and check for contact with knees or legs.

Foot Length. Check and see if you can brake correctly. Lock the heel of your right shoe against the footpeg or in the proper position on the running board. Your toe should be able to depress the footbrake with a simple downward rotation of your foot. Check if you have any contact with the engine or exhaust protrusions. You should be able to use the brakes consistently without hesitation. (The same rule applies to the ATV’s left side, where the gearshift is located.)

Grip Reach. To steer and balance correctly, sit normally on your ATV with your hands on the handlebars. Your elbows should have a distinct angle between your upper arm and forearm. If your elbows are straight out, you won’t be able to turn the handlebars. (Make sure you aren’t leaning forward to compensate for a short reach.) If your elbows are at less than right angles, you are too large for the ATV and steering and maintaining balance will be difficult.

Throttle Reach. To control your speed and handling, check your throttle reach. With your right hand in the normal operating position, check to see if your thumb can easily operate the throttle. Turn the handlebars to the extreme left and right positions. Check again for any interference with easy operation.

Brake Reach. Make sure you have good stopping control. Place your hands in the normal operating position, with fingers straight out. Check to see if the first joint (from the tip) of your middle finger extends beyond the brake lever. If not, your hand is too small to effectively grasp the lever in an emergency. Make sure your thumb also reaches the engine stop switch. Squeeze the brake lever a few times to be sure you can comfortably use the controls.

We really need everyone's help with this so please contact the Senators with your support.  If we can get 101 passed we will become the first State with Rider Fit and no minimum age.  This is very important to grow the sport as a family activity.

Chair
Senator Rick Metsger
Party: D District:26
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1726
Interim Phone: 503-668-4378
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE, S-307, Salem, Or. 97301
Email: sen.rickmetsger@state.or.us

Vice Chair
Senator Bruce Starr
Party R District: 15
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1715
Interim Phone: 503-649-4391
Email: sen.brucestarr@state.or.us

Senator Ryan Deckert
Party: D District:14
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1714
Interim Phone: 503-986-1714
Email: sen.ryandeckert@state.or.uc

Senator Larry George
Party: R District: 13
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1713
Email: sen.larrygeorge@state.or.us

Senator Laurie Monnes Anderson
Party: D District: 25
Capitol Phone 503-986-1725
Interim Phone: 503-618-3071
Email: sen.lauriemonnesanderson@state.or.us

Posted on: April 16, 2007, 03:30:17 PMSB 101 has made it out the Work Shop Session and will have a hearing in the next week or so.  Safekids was in support of the legislation and wants to have a working relationship with us in the future.  We will need Senators and Congressman to be contacted in support, as the Bill moves to the floor in both Houses.

[Quad daddy]

Rumor has it, 49 is dead, the helmet law is dead, the title law is dead, and the 2 people on one quad law is dead.
101 is moving forward with rider fit guidelines. They only have 30 days left to go, so things should start happening quick.

[Sandflicker]

If you haven't already done so you would want to send a short letter in favor of 101 to Lindy.

[Quad daddy]

I already sent a letter to Devlin last week, nobody was putting anything on the board so I thought I would

[Sandflicker]

Great hope is that this (acceptable) bill will be law - mostly so that we will not be handed laws that are totally not reasonable.

[Dune Dude]

SB 101 passed the Senate yesterday 20-9.  We still need you to send in letters of support to Senator Devlin as the Bill moves to the House.  They have only received a handful at this time.  I have sent one from T.I. in support of the Bill.

Contact info for Senator Richard Devlin

Sen. Richard Devlin (D)
District: 019
900 Court Street NE
Suite S-316
Salem OR, 97301-4073
Phone: (503) 986-1719
Fax: (503) 986-1987
Email: sen.richarddevlin@state.or.us


State Representative

[rmz450#969]

I can't believe you support this bill. We as a group the Southern Oregon Dirt Riders do not , and are in the process of getting a lawsuit filed against it. I thought you guys came together well to help stop sb49 but now it looks like you guys are rolling over. Here are some of our problems with it, 1 age limit, 2 permits (it already cost enough we do not need to line the govs pockets also) 3 it hurts the sport (racing) aspect of ohv use 4 we have enough laws that they can't regulate now. and we have other problems with it also.

[Towman 1]

It sounds like to me that you don't ride the sand at all. If you did you would understand why we need this bill. To keep LITTLE kids off the big quads. If we don't succeed in passing this bill then we all are going to loose in the end. Just to many kids getting hurt riding big bikes.  I rode in the sand just today and almost got into an accident with a little kid riding a 400 ex. And this was in the Half Moon Bay campground. Stupid little kid did miss me and ran between a tree and the brush. I almost went and caught him and bent him over my knee and give him some old fashioned dicipline.

We need this bill.

[RTOYZ]

I can't believe you support this bill. We as a group the Southern Oregon Dirt Riders do not , and are in the process of getting a lawsuit filed against it. I thought you guys came together well to help stop sb49 but now it looks like you guys are rolling over. Here are some of our problems with it, 1 age limit, 2 permits (it already cost enough we do not need to line the govs pockets also) 3 it hurts the sport (racing) aspect of ohv use 4 we have enough laws that they can't regulate now. and we have other problems with it also.

As what group of Southern Oregon Dirt bike riders are you? From speaking with the President and Vice President of the MRA, They are in support of it with us. This is not something that we are really happy about, but rather a better situation than was proposed to us to begin with. This is what we all can live with as a whole.

[Dune Dude]

rmz450#969,

I'm not sure why your group is trying to file a lawsuit against something that is not a law yet?  SB 101 has been changed from Park's original Bill.  I am not sure what age limit you are referring to either?  If you are a Class III rider are you having issues with supervision changing from under age 12 to under age 16?  This was a compromise that is really not a compromise.  Everyone I have talked with that rides Class I or Class III rides with their children.  If you are talking about racing events, hare scrambles or poker runs, these are supervised events.  You do not let kids that are  8, 12, or 15 race 5 mile loops without corner workers for caution flags, other riders to assist in a accident or sweep riders.  The AMA and ATVA would not sanction your event or your club if this is the way the events are set up. 
Permit fees could be a maximum of $5 and the permit is good for life.  Plus, safety training for the kids would be paid for by the Parks Dept. with a maximum fee of $5 which may or may not be charged.  Again, this permit for the kids is for life.
This Bill is also, only for Public Lands or Lands that were paid for with the help of OHV monies.  Private land you can do as you feel is appropriate. 
The AMA and ATVA are in full support of this Bill.  We have posted the amendments and have asked for involvement of all OHV riders since the middle of March 2007.  We have also, committed to working with Parks in assisting Class III riders with getting the 7 years old minimum age removed from the law at the next legislative session. 
This Bill is a win-win.  Riding OHV's is a family activity.  We already ride with our children and help them develop skills to become better riders.  So this Bill requires nothing extra from us.  Sanctioned club events are supervised for everyone that participates for their safety.  If Parks decides to charge the $5 for the operator permit, this  is cheaper than 2 gallons of gas.

We at T.I. appreciate all input and arguments for every ones point of view.  Please feel free to respond if I did not answer all of your concerns or if I am missing your point.

Thanks for your concerns.

[Lindylee]

In response to the comments from rmz450 representing the Southern Oregon Dirt Bike riders.....

One of the arguments made by a Senator during the vote was "they have a gun to their heads and this is a better option". We have no gun, we were not forced.  We wanted to work together with Parks and anyone else that was willing - anyone.  We can't just stick our heads in the sand and continue down the same unsuccessful path - we are losing.  We are losing riding areas and our right to ride.  If we can't come together without all the little stabs here and there from within our own group how can anyone expect our future to be anything less than one continual battle after another?  How can we argue supervision of our children, safety training that involves the clubs and each of us, or rider fit with NO minimum age  (Yes the MC guys have a min. age of seven and have had for years (you should know this) - hopefully we can change that next session).... So is it the $5.00 because I have to tell you that is way petty.  $5.00 will just cover the cost of printing and sending a permit card.  If you have over five years and over 16yrs. of age,  you don't even have to take the course, you can test out.  The card is for life!!  Hands on will only be for kids - online for adults.   Is it the supervision??  Well, if that is the case I for one can tell you when a child is killed or injured because you didn't properly supervise them - I want you cited, not my family sport held responsible.  Remember, family sport = supervision.  So is it rider fit?  Rider fit is all about keeping the kids from riding bikes that are WAY too big or small for them....it is a safety issue.  My question then to you is this....why is there a problem with the amendments to SB101?  Aren't these things you already do with your family?  Unlike SB49, this bill won't prevent families from riding together.  It doesn't keep kids off bikes - doesn't even put a stop to events as long as they are supervised.  Over a month ago we begged for input - where were you then?  Where will you be if SB 101 doesn't make it through and we have another really nasty bill to deal with again in a few years??  And the bigger question of all is what chance do we stand if we can't stand united??   Whatever happened to working together and supporting one another??  To be a part of the solution means giving your input in a positive and timely manner - being a part of the problem is to come in a day late, half-cocked, stirring the pot, threatening, and unwilling to give your own team the benefit of cooporation.  We are not " rolling over" - we are taking a reasonable responsible proactive approach at preserving this sport for all of us.  You can stand alone with your group, or become part of the solution...your choice...You are welcome if you so choose.  This is a great bill with a tremendous amount of support and it would be a shame to have it compromised.  Lindy

[Towman 1]

God, that was well spoken.  Thank you so much for your help on this bill.  I don't want anymore rules and regulations, but when it comes to safety for the little ones and still lets them enjoy our sport, this bill is a must .

Thank you Lindylee for your work.

[rmz450#969]

The problem is not "stupid little kid" its that kids parents. why didn't you follow that kid back to his parents and have it out with them? With racing we have age limits and skill levels. The conflict with rider fit is at the starting gate we have many kids that have to use blocks to reach the ground because of the skill level they are at. I can see where rider fit could benefit the quads as anyone at any ability can ride one as there is not much skill required ."That's not intended as a slam".  So infact we are comparing apples to oranges. It infact is not a one size fits all problem . I agree somthing needs to be done but but we cannot treat all ohv's the same. From the handful of times I have rode at the coast the bigger problem is the drinking and drunk riding not kids. Do you really think that legislating common sense is going to keep these parents from letting these kids do whatever they want? We elect these people to protect our rights and way of life not take it away. Just last weekend at the May day poker run at John's Peak the youngest participant was 4 . Should she have been banned from riding? At our race track we have a peewee class that is 4-6 on 50cc machines these kids should have just the same right to race as anyone else. I think we should lead by example not by fear of everyting being taken . I hear everyone bitching about all the closures do to sound, but how many people are compliant?I know people who ride the coast all the time and go from dune to dune running from the sound guy. It is a harder road to take but but we have lost too much already and if we let them take anymore it just makes it easier for them the next time.

[Quad daddy]

rmz, if you were more involved in all this you would know that the OMRA is addressing the issue for all racing, poker runs etc. the rider fit guide lines have been looked at by several of the 2 wheeled riders out there and they have things worded in a way that will work. "I know this information was hand delivered to the Senate". In short you have your undies in a bunch for no reason. If you have a real question you would like to ask, go to the OMRA site and ask Ed the president of OMRA he is all over this or send me a PM and I will do my best. What I have read in your last post has all been addressed....

[Dune Dude]

rmz450#969,

I think you are starting to see that all of your concerns are being addressed in SB101 by Class I and Class III riders.  Class III has had a minimum age of 7 since the early 90's.  I believe Oregon is one of just a handful of States that set a minimum age for MC's.  We looked at amending SB 101 to get rid of the Class III minimum age but, it would not have gone through.  Class I does not have a minimum age.  Originally, Parks set it at 7 to be in line with Class III and to appease the "Safety" people.  The Senators would have touted this as a win for safety by keeping small children off ATV's.  Except, that through our research, this age group is not the problem.  We changed SB 101 back to no minimum age and inserted Rider Fit.  This keeps kids on ATV's that they fit and not by age minimums or age to cc nonsense.  Minimum age is impossible for Law Enforcement to do anything about.  How do you tell a 7 year old?  They don't carry ID"S and the parents will just in struck them to lie about their age.  Law Enforcement can identify Rider Fit.  Plus, SB 101 will hold parents responsible for letting their children ride ATV's that are too big or too small for them.
As Quad daddy said Ed, at the ORMA, developed a set of Rider Fit Guidelines for Class III riders that addresses the issue of touching the ground while sitting on the bike.  We are going to use the guidelines along with the precedent from Class I being no minimum age and rider fit to get rid of the age 7 minimum for Class III.  We just have to wait for the next legislative session. 
Again, we are all on the same side.  We have included many people into the amendments from all areas of OHVing.  Yes, we are putting regulations on ourselves.  But when you look at it they are not anything different than we all do right know. 
1. Supervise our children.
2. Let them ride vehicles that fit them and their abilities.
3. Provide training for all that enter the sport.

We want to make the rules on how we and others should ride safely together as families.  Not everyone that buys a bike or quad has the same common sense as members of this club or your Dirt Bike Club.  We do know through our own experiences that with proper fit, training and supervision accidents will be reduced.  Plus, a whole new generation of children will be taught the right way to ride for fun, safety and environmental respect, that will only make a larger, more educated voice to protect this sport in the future.

To do nothing is to let the "Hater" groups tell us who can ride, where we can ride or if anyone will be able to ride again.  In MN's CD training the first few pages talk about how many OHV riders are in the State and how many people total are in the State.  It then goes on to explain that the total population of non-riders tells the small group of OHV riders what they can and can't do.  I'd rather we do it ourselves.

[Lindylee]

Okay rmz.... I think you are missing something very key in all of this....parents are not being held accountable - the entire group is.  If you pay close attention to the media, it is rare to ever have mention about a parents lack of supervision or poor judgement.  Rather, the dealer, manufacturer, and the ATV that springs to life and crushes small children get the blame... Oregon isn't the first state facing huge restrictions...many states have fought and lost.  It is our sport at risk.  It isn't only safety advocates forcing legislation - it is environmental groups knocking at the back door.  How is SB101 taking away any of your rights??  Your responsibility lies in protecting your child by providing supervision - it isn't a right.  Providing education and increasing awareness is responsible too - it doesn't prevent you from participation.  And rider-fit isn't designed to prevent children from riding an ATV - it just insures that they can safely operate it.  The other thing you don't seem to understand is nothing has been set in concrete.  We are a part of this team, just as you can be, in designing what type of training program we will have and how it will be administered.  You also spend a lot of time on Rider fit with motorcycles...Funny thing is - it is new and only a few people have reviewed the working draft.  How could you possibly know then what it is you don't like?  The AMA, yes the National guys, have been working with us from the get-go and would love for Oregon to be a rider-fit state for Motorcycles.  The other thing you have made clear in your post is your club is ignoring current law.  You have riders as young as four racing.  Under current law they can't legally ride until age seven.  Our goal is to have rider fit for MC with NO minimum age.  It amazes me how concerned you are about new laws when your group fails to follow the current law.  We have spent months working around the clock researching, attending hearings, writing legislation, calling, writing, and essentially working our rears off for all OHVers - including you.  We appreciate your input, in fact it keeps the old fire burning - but please do your homework before you bring controversy to an issue you clearly know so little about.  There are members in this group that have sacrificed the most precious and unrecoverable time away from their families fighting SB49 for yours.  These same people continue to work hard in protecting this sport....We welcome your passion and it sounds as if you are all fired up - we would  appreciate more help.  Please read previous posts and if you have any further questions please feel free to contact me at minten@gotsky.com.  I would be more than happy to get you up to speed so you understand the gravity of the bigger picture.  Thank you, Lindy

[Sandflicker]

The problem is not "stupid little kid" its that kids parents. why didn't you follow that kid back to his parents and have it out with them? With racing we have age limits and skill levels. The conflict with rider fit is at the starting gate we have many kids that have to use blocks to reach the ground because of the skill level they are at. I can see where rider fit could benefit the quads as anyone at any ability can ride one as there is not much skill required ."That's not intended as a slam".  So infact we are comparing apples to oranges. It infact is not a one size fits all problem . I agree somthing needs to be done but but we cannot treat all ohv's the same. From the handful of times I have rode at the coast the bigger problem is the drinking and drunk riding not kids. Do you really think that legislating common sense is going to keep these parents from letting these kids do whatever they want? We elect these people to protect our rights and way of life not take it away. Just last weekend at the May day poker run at John's Peak the youngest participant was 4 . Should she have been banned from riding? At our race track we have a peewee class that is 4-6 on 50cc machines these kids should have just the same right to race as anyone else. I think we should lead by example not by fear of everyting being taken . I hear everyone bitching about all the closures do to sound, but how many people are compliant?I know people who ride the coast all the time and go from dune to dune running from the sound guy. It is a harder road to take but but we have lost too much already and if we let them take anymore it just makes it easier for them the next time.

As most have said it is already law you have to be 7 to ride a mc.

I certainly am glad to hear your input, but am wondering why now.  For months we've been asking everybody we come across for their opinion now after the ball is gaining speed you come to the table.  Where have you been.?

[Towman 1]

As it stands now, I would be willing to bet that I could take my camera out and show you every day where there is parents letting there kids ride quads that is to big for them. I don't care who you are, this has to stop. For your safety and mine.  A 50 pound 9 year old has no business on a Banshee no matter what the skill level they are.

I don't make it a habit going to peoples camps and getting into arguments. I tried that a couple of times and ended up almost going to blows after they told me to mind my own business.

[rmz450#969]

 The way the laws are now is 7 yes but that is only on public lands not private lands with public access right? Rider fit is a great idea for quads I agree. Hold the parents accountable yes . How many kids do you see riding a dirtbike that is too big? Where have I been . Well first off with sb49 I went out and did the petitions and got around 453 riders to sign it. When I seen that bill was dead and all they did was write sb101 I got in contact with the ACLU to learn what we can do to fight back, because I feel they have taken too much as it is. I also have done another petition to stop it . Like it or not the best way to fight back is lawsuits to stop it. I know you are worried about the dunes getting shut down due to injury but the noise all your aftermarket pipes are making has already set that ship to sea , unless you can start changing the attitude of the people using them it is getting closed. I am trying to lead by example over here my "race bike" is down to 92db and still runs with bikes that are over 101db. What this has done is got 6 of the riders I ride with to do the same. You keep saying that this bill is rider fit only, that they are taking in to account racing , and that everything will be as you want it. Have you seen the amended draft ? (the one the senate passed) There is still the age restriction , nothing about racing , no set rules of what exactly rider fit means , any land with public access along with other parts I take issue with. My biggest issue is the private land with public access. I can see public lands as I would not let my kid ride at the coast or the woods until they are ten or so as it is not a controlled enviorment , but a track where everyone is the same size and going the same direction that is totally different. I know you  say we will pass it now and amend it later that just does not happen. Here is my email sharalife@charter.net if you would like to send me yours I give you my phone #  I would like to talk to you about it.

[Dune Dude]

Here is support for SB 101 from the SVIA.

Posted on: May 08, 2007, 12:27:33 PMrmz450#969,

Here is current law for operation of Class III on Public Lands.
Must be at least 7 and
have a driver's license or ATV operator permit (obtained by successfully completing an ATV safety education course or
be accompanied by someone 18 years old or older who meets the above requirements.
Riders 7 - 11 must have both an ATV operator permit and be accompanied by someone at least 18 years old that has a valid drivers license or an ATV operator permit.

SB 101
Class III requirements for Public Lands (includes land purchased with monies from the OHV fund)
STILL DOES NOT AFFECT PRIVATE LANDS OR PRIVATE LAND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.  THIS WAS CHANGED FROM ORIGINAL SB 101 WHICH HAD PREMISES OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
Must be at least 7 and
have an ATV operator permit.  (All must have the permit, no exception for just having a drivers license)
Riders 7-15 must have both an ATV operator permit and be accompanied by someone at least 18 years old that has an ATV operator permit.  (Supervision increased from 11 to 15 in SB 101)
THERE IS NO RIDER FIT FOR CLASS III RIDERS IN SB 101.  CLASS III IS STUCK WITH THE SAME MINIMUM AGE OF 7.
How to get rid of the age minimum for Class III?
You must develop a rider fit guideline.  This will insure that kids will not operate bikes they do not fit.  Then we can argue that with rider fit for Class III there does not need to be a minimum age of 7 to operate.  We also, have to do research to show that this age group is not having accidents and death from riding bikes with adult supervision that are properly sized.  Parks will work with all of the Class III riders to get a fit guidelines that makes sense for you as riders of MC's.  ORMA, MRA, and AMA are all on board for this.
SB 101 was not the place to change the minimum age for Class III that is already current law.  Much more work has to be done to get it ready to attack at the next legislative session. 
Again, we as Class I operators have committed to help in this cause.  We need to stay together or we risk losing everything.   Class I is 2 to 3 times the size of Class III riders.  We have a very powerful voice and are willing to work with Class III to get you riders what is right and helps develop your sport to grow. 

[Towman 1]

As far as the noise level on the dunes, I agree with you around the Florence area where the noise affects the people that build houses on the dunes, also around the south end of Horsefall dunes. But here in Winchester Bay the noise level isn't a problem now that they closed that section below the lighthouse. We will alwayse have a problem with a couple of the people living up on Sunset Blvd. They just moved here from San Francisco and want piece and quiet. Well so be it.  My bike is checked in at about 96 db. The only way to tell if it is legal or not is with a meter.

As far as getting the ACLU involved in this is totally wrong. We all know what they stand for.  There you will have some hotshot lawyer from Florida sueing the people out here for something that they don't know sh3t about.  Sorry, I don't have any use fot those people.

We still need this bill.

[Dune Dude]

rmz450#969,

For all the info on SB 101 please contact Lindy at 503-394-2180.

[Quad daddy]

FYI,

SB 101A
Public Hearing and Possible Work Session
House Transportation Committee
Monday May 14
3 PM in HR 357
(The old Capital Building in Salem on the 3rd floor I believe).
 
 
 
Please pass this on to anyone that is interested.

Mike Law
ATV Program Representative-Westside
Oregon Parks and Recreation Department
Honeyman State Park
Office (541) 997-3851
Cell (541) 991-1989
Fax (541) 997-4425

[Sandflicker]

These groups claim to have a following of 50 million + people.  I'm trying to research this - the last population numbers I find for the United States is about 300 million - so using their numbers they claim 17% of the population.  This is amazing to me I'll let you know what I find.