600 h.p. , 1000 f.p.t. , 30 m.p.g. Cummins

[PDP Shane]

 8)Since i started this diesel company , i've been telling people " the more you do to a diesel , the more you can get out of them ". Now when I say that I mean increased h.p. , tourqe , and mileage. So with that in mind , I decided to prove it . I am not yet possitive about exact output numbers yet , but with the stuff thats going on my '04 cummins , the h.p. should be in the neighborhood of around 600 h.p. , 1000 f.p.t. and if my figures are right , it should get around 30 m.p.g.  The power add ons include tourqe converter and valve body so the tranny will handle the h.p. , exaust manifold , air intake , bigger injector nozzles , bigger lift pump , and a set of twin turbos . These products are all coming from B.D. Diesel , you wont find any Banks equiptment on this dodge ! ! ! As soon as the equiptment gets here and I install it , Il try to give all you guys a closer set of numbers on the mileage , h.p. , and tourqe.
Date Posted: October 01, 2006, 05:06:58 PMWell , i jjust got back from a diesel performance class and dyno day that BD Diesel puts on for their dealers , and even though i don't have all my parts in yet , i do have some news about the performance upgrades i will be putting on my truck . There was a guy there that had every thing i had ordered on his truck.......  620 h.p. , 1448 ft.lb. tourqe , and still getting between 20 and 25 m.p.g. , and getting in the low 12's in the quarter mile. Not bad for a 7,000 lb. 4 door pick up.

[duraraptor]

Now that is very impressive!

[Dune Dude]

Cool info Shane.  It is great to get some real world performance numbers from a knowledgeable person, instead of having to rely on the "streched truth" of performance parts advertisements. 

[duraraptor]

Yea, what DD said...And just think if you did all of that to a CHEVY...Mindboggling

[PDP Shane]

If you did all that to a chevy , it would probly fall apart !
Date Posted: October 18, 2006, 06:55:56 PMJust kidding . just trying to rib the chevy guys a little. Actualy , the duramaxs are capable of producing jutst about as much power as the cummins .I f you guys want to see some examples of some good diesel dyno pulls and maybe a few burnouts , go to " www.fastspecialties.com" and go to video gallery , scroll all the way to the bottom , and you can watch some video clips of their diesel dyno days . 

[Dune Dude]

(the duramaxs are capable of producing jutst about as much power as the cummins)

Leave it to the Dodge guys to not understand  the phrase "about as much as".  Meaning not equal too, but less than.   

OK class remember the, < less than sign, > greater than sign, and = equal too.
eg. 1<2 says 1 is less than 2
     2>1 says 2 is greater than 1  ( I'm typing slow so the Ford guys can keep up.)
     3=3 says that 3 is equal to 3

Now with this basic understanding lets go back to the Dodge guys equation:

Dodge>Chevy says Dodge is greater than Chevy or they could have said Chevy<Dodge (Chevy is less than Dodge)
(What's that Ford guys?  Yes, they are two different equations.  Yes, they mean the same thing.  You see its a logical math problem that if one is true then conversely the other is also true.  I see the blank look on your faces, go ahead and work with a Chevy guys for the rest of the class.)

Not only are they saying that Chevy's are less than a Dodge (or as we learned above, Dodge is greater than Chevy) but also that they are not equal either. 

At the web site www.fastspecialties.com they have a video showing Diesel Dyno Days 1 and 2.
The best Dodge had 606.7hp and 1297.3 tq
The best Chevy had 694.3hp and 1523.6 tq

So class, what should the Dodge guys equation look like from the above example?

Yes duraraptor that's right, Chevy>Dodge
And that's also correct DuneJunkie, you can also say that Dodge<Chevy
Sorry VP, nice try but Dodge=Chevy is not correct you see 694.3hp, 1523.6tq is much bigger than 606.7hp,1297.3tq 

Tune in next week when we discuss the phrase "My truck kicks butt!"  Assigning human traits to inanimate objects.   

[PDP Shane]

I dont care what you drive , thats funny . I especially liked the part where you slowed down for the ford guys ( cause we wouldnt want them to fall behind in class now would we ?) .

[DuneJunkie]

Yes duraraptor that's right, Chevy>Dodge
And that's also correct DuneJunkie, you can also say that Dodge<Chevy
Sorry VP, nice try but Dodge=Chevy is not correct you see 694.3hp, 1523.6tq is much bigger than 606.7hp,1297.3tq 

now i know why I am driving a Chevy!

amd all you Ford and Dodge guys are 

[RTOYZ]

Wow, my keyboard is speechless. I can hardly wait for next weeks lesson. (does it include a tailpipe?)

[duraraptor]

Welcome back DD.  Thanks for the back up.    You know how those Dodge guys are....   Hey don't get me wrong, I love pulling them out.

[PDP Shane]

Well , there is one little thing about chevys when it comes to building power . You will spend alot more money on a duramax trying to get the same amount of power that you can get out of a cummins . ( the ford power puke need not apply )

[Dune Dude]

One thing is definitely cool regardless of which brand you own.  Dual stacks coming out of the bed spewing gobs of black smoke while the turbos whine at full boost!

[duraraptor]

That was what I was thinking.  Has anybody seen any local trucks with the stacks?  Wouldn't that get your hauler all dirty?

[RTOYZ]

that's why mine has the pipe pointing down. It looks kind of like an old guys truck ( I got the idea from Larry duraraptor), but it works. 

[duraraptor]

Hey VP, talk to your Dr. about that problem    remember this is a family site.  Old guy with a old guys truck, just proves my (DD,DJ's) point.

[PDP Shane]

I think stacks look good if the truck is set up for them . A a small lift , taller , wider tires . Prime example - Scott Zaffram's '03 dodge in Sept. edition of diesel power magazine . ( I even like the color.... silver . )

[duraraptor]

Shane, could I get your thoughts on the Quadzilla products.  I am so confused.

[2fun]

How is it that you are able to get more MPG while increasing the power and torque so much???

I guess I have been sitting in the back of class too long!! LOL!!

[PDP Shane]

the quadzilla module w/ the monitor is a very good choice in programmers . I havent heard anything negative about them at all . On top of that you also save yourself a couple hundred dollars and still get all the safty features of an edge product ( the monitor is bigger too ) . As for 2funs question , simply put , you have to think of an engine as a air pump , the more air you can get to go through your motor , the more power your going to create . Anytime you can help the motor work easier ( by adding an air filter , exaust , ect. ) your going to gain h.p. , and beings that the motor isnt working as hard ( because you helped it relax a little ) , your not using as much fuel .

[duraraptor]

Thank You Shane, it is so cool to have an expert iin the club.  The reason I asked was because that is the one the local dealers are pushing right now.  I will give you a call when ready to purchase one.

[2fun]

the quadzilla module w/ the monitor is a very good choice in programmers . I havent heard anything negative about them at all . On top of that you also save yourself a couple hundred dollars and still get all the safty features of an edge product ( the monitor is bigger too ) . As for 2funs question , simply put , you have to think of an engine as a air pump , the more air you can get to go through your motor , the more power your going to create . Anytime you can help the motor work easier ( by adding an air filter , exaust , ect. ) your going to gain h.p. , and beings that the motor isnt working as hard ( because you helped it relax a little ) , your not using as much fuel .

I understand about more air = more power, but I thought that there was always an air to fuel ratio that had to be maintained???  In other words, if you add more air, don't you also have to add more fuel??  Otherwise you'll be running lean correct???   If you are adding more fuel along with the air, wouldn't that work against fuel economy??

I have jetted carburators for many years, and I agree adding more air adds more power as long as you are adding the extra fuel to preserve the air to fuel ratio.  However, the bikes/quads have always lost some of their MPG because of this.

I still am not understanding how adding more air is going to help unless the engine is starving for air in the first place??? (IE it is running too rich in stock condition)

[Dune Dude]

2fun,

Its hard to compare ATV/bikes to cars and trucks in regards to mpg.  ATV's are usually run close to WOT (wide open throttle) either for long periods of time or from partial throttle to WOT and back hundreds of times during a ride.   Cars and trucks generally see less extremes in throttle position because of law enforced limits.
When you rejet the ATV to compensate for increased air flow in and out of the engine you are also, increasing its power.  The power is translated into faster top speeds and quicker take-offs.  (Which, of couse, we would do repeatedly to satisfy the beast inside us.)  This will cause the ATV to use more fuel than before.
In cars and trucks we usually don't get the same chance to bury the throttle for long periods or smoke the tires at every intersection.  The more power the vehicle makes, the less energy (fuel) it needs to perform the same amount of work as before.  (assuming sane driving habits)

[PDP Shane]

You are also talking about the difference between a carburator and fuel injection . Plus the difference between a 300 lb. bike and a 7,000 lb truck . The trucks fuel delivery system is not as touchy as that one a bike . You can get away with putting a air filter system , exaust , and even a power programmer on a truck without having to change injectors , because the fuel injection system will automaticaly add more fuel as it is needed . However , if you decide to just add injectors , you can over fuel the motor , making it hot , and run the risk of over spooling the turbo and blowing up the compressor wheel . If you decide to just put a turbo on the rig , sure , you'll get a big jump in power , and you should be o.k. driving down the road , but you will not be getting the performance and mileage unless you add the injectors . My point being , everything has a balance . If you want a little more power , start w/ the less expensive parts first ( air , exaust , and progrgammer ) . If you decide you want more , then you can start forkin' out the the higher dollar amounts .