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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2010, 08:45:17 PM »

Now their asking we pass a sales tax - Doesn't everybody know a sales tax was just passed with 67 -
I don't get it?Huh Charge a company a tax - company adds tax to cost of goods - WHO PAYS?Huh
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 06:43:40 PM »

Here is what a few decades can do to our riding area when they keep us out of the sand.  The top picture is from the 1962.  Not much riding going on then unless it was dune buggies and jeeps.  The late 70's would have three wheeler's shredding some sand and this area was open to ride on until the 1996 closures.  Since then you can see the change in just 14 short years.  Close it off and we have no more dunes!!


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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 06:59:25 PM »

the proof we  need for our case against the greenies Angry
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2010, 07:04:24 AM »

Here is one example of what we will lose.  This in one proposal for the Florence area dunes.  This section is the North East corner by South Jetty Staging.  The yellow lines indicate the many trails.  I guessing it is about 80% of what is actually there.  The blue lines are the designated trails or already approved.  The pink lines are what we would get (notice it is not much!)  The rest would be closed  Angry
This is just one proposal but, the others are not any better.





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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2010, 05:46:39 PM »

No two ways about it, that just plain stinks...
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2010, 06:37:30 AM »

THAT SUCKS.
IF THAT PICTURE DOESN'T WAKE UP FELLOW RIDERS TO WHAT THE GREENIES ARE DOING I DONT KNOW WHAT WILL.
MY QUESTION IS WHEN ARE WE GANNA SUE THE STATE FOR FAILING TO PROTECT THE DUNES AND KEEPING THIS BRUSH FROM TAKING OVER THE DUNES.
COME ON  , THINK ABOUT THE OVER GROWTH OF THIS VEGETATION IN THE LAST 40 YEARS. WE HAVE THE PICTURES TO SHOW IT.
SO IN THE NEXT 20 -40 YEARS AS THE BRUSH  CLOSES THE DUNES OFF MORE DO WE GET ANOTHER " RIDE THRU" AND MORE CLOSURES?
HELL YES.

STOP THEM NOW - OR LOOSE THE THE DUNES
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2010, 07:24:02 AM »

Yea Sanddemon,

it's the ol' you put a frog in boiling water and he'll jump out - but put him in warm water and turn up the heat and be pleased to stay until boiling.
For those that don't believe it's happening (IT'S HAPPENING).
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2010, 07:51:38 PM »

I've posted the map and link on some other forums as well.  I plan on printing copies and passing them out as well.

Do you have any similar maps of the south side of Florence?

BTW, I should probably go and introduce myself in "introduce yourself"    Smiley
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2010, 06:16:49 AM »

Thanks for doing that, the more info out there the better.
And yes tell us more about yourself......
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2010, 07:02:30 PM »

Here is a news paper article that was done on March 10th.  We are not sure what to think of the statements?!?

They make it sound as if there is nothing to worry about and all is well.  Maybe this is the case?  Maybe they are trying to calm the storm that is coming from the riders?  Not sure what to believe at this point.  I am going to make the meeting and the tour on April 16th and 17th.  I can let you know then where this is heading.

» Off-highway forest maps arrive soon

© The Umpqua Post.
By Alex Powers, Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 | No comments posted.
Dunes routes won't be established until 2011
U.S. Forest Service district ranger Pam Gardner announced at a city council meeting last week that off-highway maps for the Siuslaw National Forest will arrive at the beginning of April. The maps were delayed from a January release date, she said, after her office ran into printing problems.

Not much will change for ATV riders on nearby sand dunes when the map is unveiled. It details off-road use in the Siuslaw National Forest, according to forest service staff members.

Officials identified off-highway routes throughout much of the national forest after 2005, when the Forest Service required federal land managers to create travel management plans.

But forest managers will wait until at least 2011 to identify routes in the Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area as stakeholders continue to discuss the impact of proposed trails.

Sharon Stewart, a dispersed recreation supervisor for the Siuslaw National Forest, said staff for now will try to educate dunes users about the maps and stakeholder process.

“We’re trying to educate people where we’re designating trails,” Stewart said. “We’re not going to fence it closed, but we are going to let people know about the process and what it means.”

The 15-stakeholder group met late last year at the Dunes NRA’s middle riding area near Winches-ter Bay. At that meeting, the group established 16 criteria that will be used to evaluate proposed routes through vegetated areas.

In a 1994 off-highway vehicle management plan, the Siuslaw National Forest staff identified 4,455 acres — about 15 percent of the Dunes NRA — of vegetated areas that contain ATV routes. That land, designated 10C in the forest’s 1994 off-highway vehicle management plan, has long been a focus of contentious debate between stakeholders.

One sticking point in stakeholder discussions is whether non-native plants should be protected from ATV use, said Ross Holloway.

The forest service contracted with Holloway to facilitate public stakeholder meetings for the national forest. He said ATV proponents are concerned vegetation is consuming available riding area.

“A lot of the area that’s open sand has been revegetating,” Holloway said. “That seems to be a real key point of interest.”

Stakeholders at a meeting in Florence earlier this year discussed the effects of European beach grass, regarded as an invasive species by federal agencies.

“You’ve got a lot of forested area that had been European beach grass, then trees grew in,” Holloway said. “They’re plantations, not natural stands.”

Holloway said aerial photos in the forest’s 1994 off-road plan are starkly different from more recent aerial photos.

“It’s pretty dramatic how much more of that has been covered by vegetation,” Holloway said.

Conservationists, however, have long said the forest supports wildlife, Holloway said. At the stakeholder work group’s last meeting, in Florence, John Getz, who represents commercial mushroom pickers, said many of the forest plantations have become economic anchors for people who harvest matsutake mushrooms and other fungi growing in the woods.

Once the group weighs the impact from ATV use in vegetated areas, it should propose by fall how 10C lands will be utilized. Proposals could include anything from completely opening 10C areas to closing them outright.

That proposal will go to forest staff. They will form an internal group to hear public comment and finalize routes in the Oregon Dunes 10C areas.

The identified routes will be recorded in the forest’s federally prescribed travel, which will be updated each year, Stewart said. After that, ATV rider education will become the forest’s largest concern.

Holloway said some riders may be confused by the requirements of the federal travel management plan. Currently, 12,440 acres of the 24,940-acre Dunes NRA is open to unrestricted ATV access, except in areas marked with trails to reduce ATV noise or protect vegetation. Under the new policy, all land is assumed closed unless otherwise specified.

“It reversed everything,” Holloway said.

Stewart said lands other than 10C are unaffected. She also said she believes the stakeholder work group could recommend severe changes, but she doubts it will.

“Are we going to attempt to close the routes that are pre-existing? I would guess not,” she said.

link to story:

http://www.theumpquapost.com/articles/2010/03/10/local_news/doc4b96bcdcf25ce259807114.txt
Posted on: April 06, 2010, 06:52:39 PM
Here are the links for the maps that they are using for discussion and proposals of the three riding areas:

Northern area Florence -
ftp://ftp2.fs.fed.us/incoming/r6/siu/10C%20Process/Northern%20Ride%20Area/

Middle area Winchester Bay -
ftp://ftp2.fs.fed.us/incoming/r6/siu/10C%20Process/Middle%20Ride%20Area/

Southern area Coos Bay/North Bend -
ftp://ftp2.fs.fed.us/incoming/r6/siu/10C%20Process/Southern%20Ride%20Area/

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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2010, 06:05:34 PM »

Thanks D.D. for the update.
Sure wish we could buy T.V. - cable time, and run alot of adds in news papers. I  know it costs $$$$ and every ones hurting now. But the other side is using this against us knowing we cant afford to fight. Things you have written sure need to get out to people and not just riders - the public at large.
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Re: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2010, 08:14:18 PM »

Sanddemon

You're right but I don't know how (with limited fund) how to do this, we don't have money to advertise Sandfest?

You know a place we hope to add awareness.  Everybody has to do there part, and really most don't even get it.

If the people being hurt by this don't believe - how?   Help me I'm frustrated.
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